Agenda - Public Works Committee - 04/21/2009

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Public Works Director Olson stated that there is just under 5 miles of paved streets in the City. Chair Elvig reviewed some of the things that the Council needs to clarify so a precedent isn't set, which would be included in findings of fact, so there are weapons against future developments that try to take this angle. Councilmember Dehen stated that he doesn't know if findings of fact will help. Ms. Brown.Nelson stated that the people that use this street are going to be the ones that live there. Chair Elvig stated that the City can develop findings of fact that suggest that there are several anomalies with this road that don't happen commonly that would drive this forward to take a look at a 22 foot wide road and not. set a precedent. He stated that the residents are saying no to the project, as proposed, so if the City wants it paved, then something will need to change. Councilmember Dehen stated that he is not an engineer and doesn't know what the right width is. He stated that he supports getting roads paved and is concerned about having room for two vehicles to passon a road that is only 22 feet wide. Chair Elvig stated that he feels the residents are fine with a 16-foot dirt road. Councilmember McGlone stated that Ramsey is part of the seven county metro area and the City has to come up with standards because therewill be even more people in the future. He stated that staff has whittled the standard down to 24 feet and what the residents are asking for is below standard and will seta precedent for other areas of the City. Motion by Councilmember McGlone, seconded by COUncilmember Dehen, to recommend to the City Council: 1. Construct a 24 foot wide roadway located within a 50 foot right~of~way centered 18 feet of the common N/S property line between properties on the east and west sides of Ute Street, except at 18043 Ute Street where the right~of-way shall be 33 feet east of the street centerline, and that the road bend in some way to accommodate future septic needs for certain households; 2. Construct a c'Lll de sac having a paved radius of 30 feet and a right of way radius of 40 feet; 3. Finance the storm sewer easement acquisition costs through the storm sewer utility, and the street right of way costs as the other street element cost with 50% of costs borne by the property owners and 50% as a City cost. Further Discussion: Councilmember Dehen asked if that would include the limitation on taking of any property, which he would suggest to reduce right of way, as suggested by Mr. Gidding. Amended motion by Councilmember McGlone, seconded by Councilmember Dehen, to include that the right-of-way acquisition be limited as suggested by Mr. Gidding. Further Discussion: Mr; Gidding suggested that the City come up with an estimate on costs for the residents to consider. City Engineer Jankowski stated that once they get the width of the road, they will rework the numbers and send that information out to everyone. Councilmember Public Works Committee I February 17, 2009 Page 14 of 19