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18 Fire fighters are in tactical training - structure fires with state instructors (also smoke trailers) The amount of training hours and people were broken down: 6 people for 42 hours at Ham Lake 15 people for 30 hours at St. Francis 11 people for 88 hours at St. Francis 8 people for 56 hours at Andover 15 people for 60 hours at Coon Rapids Mr. Bruen recommended six months of intensive team effort under experienced fire fighters. He also stated that during this time, some arrangement should be worked out with Elk River and Anoka regarding assisting with services. Mr. Hartley commented he felt the Ramsey Fire Department needed more experience and training but that the willingness and enthusiasm was there. He noted that the fire fighters take all the training that is available for them. He extended an invitation to Chief Bickford and Chief Anderson to sit down with Chief Hoeke and the Fire Board to discuss working out the mutual aid contract. Chairman Pearson and Chief Hoeke extended thank you's to Mr. Bmen, Chief Bickford and Chief Anderson for attending the meeting and also for their input. Case #2: Responding Procedure Ramsey Fire Department responds to car accidents, car fires, structure fires, cave-ins and other miscellaneous accidents. The concerns are the length of time it takes to respond to a call, the lack of tools, and the expertise of the fire fighters. The fire fighters stated they need proper rescue tools to get the job done. They informed the board they are not asking the City to buy the tool (extracation tool, a.k.a., "Jaws Of Life") as they have talked to the Ramsey Lions Club and they will probably donate the money needed to the department. Chairman Pearson asked if the Fire Department usually responded to car accidents. Chief Hoeke informed him that they are called to about 80% of the accidents. Discussion ensued regarding the budget meeting the Fire Board held in August where a rescue vehicle and rescue tools were discussed. It was decided then that the department should not get involved in rescue in 1990. There was enough to learn regarding fighting structure fires and there would probably be no time for rescue training, plus the fact there would be no money in the 1990 budget for any rescue equipment. The fire fighters felt the big issue seemed to be lack of money in the budget for the tool. The fire fighters approached the Lions Club asking for the donation to buy the extracation tool. The Lion's member in charge of fund raising said they should talk to City Administrator Dave Hartley regarding the tool, and if it was okay for them to have it, the Lions could fund it. The fire fighter's stated they had talked to Mr. Hartley and they were not told to back off. They approached City Council with the idea. Mr. Cich stated he was very upset with the fire fighters and Chief Hoeke for not going through the proper procedures when they wanted something. Instead, they had gone directly to the City Council and made it sound like the Fire Board wouldn't listen to their needs. He felt it made Chairman Pearson and himself look bad. Mr. Cich also stated that if this type of thing happened again, he would see to it that Chief Hoeke would be terminated along with the rest of the Fire Department. They should fa-st bring it up to the Fire Board, then the Budget Committee (if funding is needed) and then a recommendation will be made by the Fire Board or the Budget Committee to the City Council for whatever it is the Fire Fire Board/February 14, 1990 Page 3 of 6