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Mr. Turok replied that Councilmember Howell was right that he didn't care because they are <br /> delivering the mission that is the cohort. <br /> Councilmember Heineman stated he looked at this from a business standpoint that not taking the <br /> suggestion to go out for bids but going with a company because they are a member of the Chamber <br /> didn't make sense. He also stated he has been in different levels of business for a while and a lot <br /> of time when projects are being done, a detailed report is given so he agreed with the statement <br /> that tangible evidence of effectiveness should be given. He also agreed that it is beneficial to have <br /> the manufacturing cohort but didn't agree to continuing to invest in an organization that isn't being <br /> transparent. <br /> Mayor Kuzma commented that he sees the value in this because 26 businesses are part of this and <br /> two companies were awarded grants. <br /> Motion by Councilmember Riley, seconded by Councilmember Woestehoff, to Adopt Resolution <br /> #22-045 Approving Anoka Area Chamber of Commerce Manufacturers Cohort 2021-2022. <br /> Further discussion: <br /> Councilmember Howell asked why Councilmember Riley is willing to pay $5,000 on something <br /> they could get for free. Councilmember Musgrove stated it has been said that 26 Ramsey <br /> businesses participate but she asked if that number reflects those that have participated over the <br /> years,noting the work plan doesn't give that information for the current year or last year. She was <br /> surprised that the Councilmembers are willing to pay tax payer dollars to fund this. Mayor Kuzma <br /> replied it is known that two companies got grants last year. Councilmember Musgrove replied <br /> they could have gotten those grants without any money. Councilmember Howell requested a roll <br /> call vote. Councilmember Specht commented that he could see the concerns and appreciated the <br /> questions. He stated the one thing that stands out is the question about whether the EDA didn't <br /> have the information, and asked if there would be interest in having the EDA look at it again. <br /> Councilmember Howell replied she would support that. Councilmember Heineman referenced the <br /> comments about tangible numbers and stated if numbers are used without any data behind them <br /> then the answer is skewed. When hard numbers, tangible facts, and data driven reports are <br /> requested and the answer is lacking, that is not enough for the Council to decide. Councilmember <br /> Woestehoff asked if a friendly amendment could be added to say contingent upon reapproval of <br /> the EDA with the additional information. Councilmember Riley replied the information that is <br /> being said the EDA didn't have, is where the other 18 communities went to. He didn't feel that <br /> was important or that having more information would change their opinion. <br /> A roll vote was performed: <br /> Councilmember Heineman nay <br /> Councilmember Woestehoff aye <br /> Councilmember Specht nay <br /> Councilmember Musgrove nay <br /> Councilmember Howell nay <br /> Councilmember Riley aye <br /> Mayor Kuzma aye <br /> City Council/February 22, 2022 <br /> Page 9 of 34 <br />