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Councilmember Riley asked if it is twice as long as what is normally allowed. He stated they had <br />said no once from a public safety stand-point. <br /> <br />Mr. Orcutt replied at that point Mn/DOT would not allow that access, that was one of the concerns, <br />and then when the County told them that some of these issues that are being raised such as public <br />purpose and needs, Mn/DOT looked at that as something that exists at other locations so they were <br />willing to oblige that for safety. <br /> <br />Councilmember Riley asked again if this cul-du-sac is twice as long or three times as long as the <br />City allows. <br /> <br />City Engineer/Interim Public Works Director Westby replied it is all of that. He didn’t know the <br />exact measurements but he thought it was around 1,400 to 1,600 feet. <br /> <br />Councilmember Riley asked if it is correct that 600 feet is usually allowed. <br /> <br />Mr. Orcutt replied one of the big things is when the other one was noticed that is almost the same <br />length. He stated the County didn’t want to make this decision without the City’s blessing because <br />they understand it is their City and want to be good partners. <br /> <br />Councilmember Woestehoff asked if the other end of it went to Ramsey Boulevard or if it goes <br />somewhere closer. <br /> <br />City Administrator Hagen replied if it goes to Ramsey Boulevard is about 4,000 feet. <br /> <br />Councilmember Musgrove asked if it was 4,000 feet on the short one or the extension. <br /> <br />Councilmember Woestehoff replied the long one, the extension. <br /> <br />Councilmember Musgrove stated she thought there has been discussion that any long cul-du-sacs <br />in the City have been unique to the character and location of that land. She gave the example of <br />Bowers Drive which is unique to that area and they wouldn’t want to have another one. She stated <br />in knowing that and having that understanding, she was okay with having it just to the City and <br />then if the City needs to, with development or whatever comes after that, extending it out farther. <br />She stated it might not even be a cul-du-sac then. She noted Mr. Orcutt has tried to explain about <br />the different properties with pros and cons and she thought having the short is more in line with <br />the rest of the City’s policies as far as the length. <br /> <br />Councilmember Woestehoff commented he agreed. He stated he just pulled up the GIS and if they <br />could get it on the other side of the other property, the one that is currently owned by Majestic <br />Holdings in the other city property and shorten it up by another property he would be ok with that. <br />He thought 4,000 feet was really long. <br /> <br />Mr. Orcutt replied it is 4,000 feet if it is extended this far. He stated if that is done they cut the <br />access off to a business and would be looking at buying that next business. <br /> <br />City Council Work Session /July 26, 2022 <br />Page 10 of 19 <br /> <br />