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Chief Kapler explained that as an inspector, for example, you report to someone who has the final say of making an analysis on Code interpretation. By title, an inspector would have to go to someone. A fire marshal is charged with interpretation of the Code. Police Chief Way expressed agreement that it is a different skill set. Chairperson Tossey stated he specifically wanted to know that this person would do more than the other — have more authority. He stated with that information, he will be more comfortable with the decision he has to make this evening. Motion by Councilmember Kuzma, seconded by Mayor Strommen, to recommend that the City Council confirm the recommendation of the Personnel Committee and adopt Resolution #13-11- 192, authorizing staff to recruit for a full-time fire marshal. Further discussion: Councilmember Kuzma asked about the budget — making sure what is budgeted for the fire marshal so we are not raising our budget for that position. Chairperson Tossey stated he does not want to take action on this because he feels like he does not have all the information — he wants to know the savings to the City that occurred when Mr. Kohner was upgraded to marshal from inspector. Mayor Strommen commented that part of the savings would have been the Chief's time. Chairperson Tossey asked if we were spending more money before. Chief Kapler stated we had additional staff doing inspections — they were part-time staff. Chairperson Tossey stated staff needs to figure out why this position is needed, how it saves us money, and provide some kind of "why this is good" — then he can get behind it. Chief Kapler stated he did not know if he could go to a balance sheet and find numbers. It's a quality of service and efficiencies — he just was not sure about how to apply numbers to that. Mayor Strommen repeated it is a savings of Chief Kapler s time with regard to supervising and training and a time savings for businesses because they are dealing with the person who can make a decision — a time savings inside and outside this building. She felt we cannot put a dollar amount on that. Motion carried. Voting Yes: Councilmember Kuzma and Mayor Strommen. Voting No: None. Abstaining: Chairperson Tossey. Absent: Councilmember Backous. 6. ADJOURNMENT Chairperson Tossey adjourned the regular meeting of the Personnel Committee at 6:24 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Colleen Lasher Human Resources Manager Personnel Committee / November 12, 2013 Page 6 of 7