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need to be further subdivided; at the time of subdivision the ordinance in place would need to be <br />abided by. Councilmember Elvig stated he would like to add a requirement to condition no. 4 <br />that the professional management firm in charge of the septic system be approved by the City of <br />Ramsey. It should also be restated that the intention of the City is to look for dedicated <br />greenspace or land banking and consideration towards density transitioning of perimeter <br />properties. Councilmember Strommen requested clarification regarding the requirements this <br />outlot would fall under when it is subdivided in the future. Community Development Director <br />Tmdgeon replied the outlot would fall under the R-1 zoning requirements at the time it is <br />developed. If there are not greenspace requirements included in the R-1 zoning it would not be <br />required at that time. However, one of the things that can be done is to state that any piece of <br />land that originally was stated as a cluster subdivision and will be developed under R-1 standards <br />will need to meet the R-1 standards, plus whatever cluster ordinance requirements are <br />determined. Councilmember Cook stated there is a density transitioning ordinance that works <br />throughout the City and goes by size lot to like size lot. There seems to be a feeling that this <br />transitioning is not occurring elsewhere in the City, but it is occurring all over the City where <br />sewer and water are coming up to lots that are 2 ½ acres, with higher density next to lower <br />density. This type of transition is new in this area, but is occurring all over the City. <br />Councilmember Pearson stated the issues he has heard with the residents relate to open space and <br />the management of septic systems. It would be beneficial for the individual that spoke regarding <br />the septic system management to the Council the other night to speak with the residents as well. <br />This cluster ordinance could be used as a benefit and will provide greenspace. Basically the <br />residents need to understand what is going on. It appears that there will be a lot of houses built <br />according to the ghost plat, but there will not be any houses on the other side of Armstrong <br />Boulevard until water and sewer comes to the area. City Attorney Goodrich advised if the <br />Council intends to adopt the moratorium on cluster ordinances there should be discussion <br />regarding how Case Nos. 2 and 3 are distinguishable from the areas the Council would like to <br />study further under the moratorium. Councilmember Cook stated the subdivision that was <br />denied two weeks ago has a lot more issues than just the cul-de-sac, which is why it was denied. <br />There were issues and concerns addressed in the findings relating to public safety issues as well <br />as due to the access and egress out of that area, and the number of houses already using that <br />access. The subdivision would have been denied with or without the moratorium. This <br />subdivision has done whatever the City has asked of it for preliminary plat, which should be <br />acknowledged. Councilmember Strommen noted these applications should be compared with <br />the moratorium and the issues that will be studied. Councilmember Cook stated this developer <br />has said he will honor the future ordinance without all of the requirements being in place in the <br />actual cluster ordinance. There was a similar situation when the Council started considering <br />ghost plats, and the developer of Tiger Meadows honored that part of the ordinance without the <br />requirement being in place; that development was moved forward with the ghost platting that <br />was going to be required in the ordinance. The City should let the people that have put time in <br />and are willing to honor the spirit of the cluster ordinance move forward. City Attorney <br />Goodrich advised on March 28, the Council introduced the moratorium ordinance and stated the <br />need to study density transitioning standards, open space provisions, calculation of density, and <br />septic system submittal requirements in relation to clusters. If the Council intends to adopt that <br />moratorium tonight they need to identify those things that do not need to be studied on either of <br />these subdivisions that are presently being contemplated. Mayor Gamec commented these <br />applications require a certified individual to manage the septic system. Councilmember <br /> <br />City Council / April 11, 2006 <br />Page 11 of 26 <br /> <br /> <br />