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LRRWMO Special Meeting Minutes June 25, 1992 Page 3 explained the problem is the procedure in handling these reviews for the LRRWMO has not been stable. Until the procedure becomes comfortable, it would cost more to have someone else work on these reviews; another engineer would have a great many questions. -- Schrantz addressed the matter of travel time when the Consulting Engineer comes to LRRWMO meetings. He felt a discussion was necessary with regard to whether the LRRWMO should be paying for travel both ways. Weaver concurred. Mr. Dickson indicated he was aware of the board's concern in this regard. However, Barr Engineering must pay those employees even during travel times. Schrantz added if this issue becomes a further concern perhaps the board may have to consider hiring an engineering firm closer to its operations. Skallman indicated Barr Engineering is currently charging the LRRWMO $0.285 per mile, and they typically charge customers $0.30 per mile. Weaver reminded Barr Engineering representatives that it is dealing with an organization which operates on an extremely small budget. Our engineering expenses are huge. Weaver indicated we are at the point where we must search for a Consulting Engineer as capable as Skallman but less expensive. These costs are why Skallman is not regularly attending our meetings. Schrantz acknowledged that the LRRWMO does not send Barr Engineering that much work. Mr. Dickson reminded the board that Barr Engineering is not a municipal consulting firm. He stated it is difficult for Barr Engineering to change procedures for other clients. All the billing is the same for different people. It would be unfair to charge the LRRWMO differently from other clients who would end up having to pick up costs not paid by the LRRWMO, such as mileage. Mr. Dickson went on to state his firm attempts to treat everyone equally, as far as fees. He indicated he realizes the problems of the LRRWMO, and con- curred perhaps the organization may have to seek out an engineering firm closer to its base. As for the other problems raised about the billing system, Mr. Dickson stated much of that responsibility falls on Skallman, who indicated it is very time consuming. Schrantz stated he would prefer to proceed with the under- standing the LRRWMO is continuing with Barr Engineering. Weaver stated he is not comfortable with this whole thing and will recommend the LRRWMO look for another engineering consulting firm closer at hand.