Minutes - Council - 02/06/2012 - Special

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equal about 455 households added per year, which is a lot. The ultimate growth will be after 2030 sometime. He presented historical information on the new home permit trends since 1990 — a lot of peaks and valleys. In.2003, there were over 400 new home permits — in 2004 there were over 500 new home permits. In looking at the growth trend, the average would be 212 households added per year since 1990 — this is an historical number - not a "magic" number — it can be used to illustrate forecasts. Senior Planner Gladhill reported there is a potential for at least 388 new households for 2012 with the Residence at The COR, Suite Living and Stoney River. Acting Mayor Wise commented that most units would not be occupied right away. Councilmember Elvig arrived (6:29 p.m.). City Engineer Himmer pointed out that we did the fees based on SAC and WACs — not based on units. He talked about how the fees were calculated — 400 units of multi - family equal 200 single family units. Councilmember Backous stated the average number of households is 212 — and inquired what assumption should be used. Mr. Gladhill noted we are looking at a more conservative approach with the 2040 plan. Director of Public Works Olson asked Council if they want staff to keep the assumptions the same as we originally had — the same as the most recent updated plan or be more conservative. We will have a lot more conversations to talk about cost, etc. — how do you spread that cost out - to more users or people that are buying into the system or do you make a conscious decision to add more users. He did not know if the system design would be much different. Our system is designed for ultimate growth and we will talk more about that later. The decision staff is looking for from Council tonight is do you want us to be more conservative. Councilmember Elvig stated that the growth forecast was not realistic. He talked about a more comprehensive forecast/study being done and that maybe it's a good idea to hold off on assumptions for six months or so until that study is complete. Councilmember McGlone stated he sees a lot of projections that did not come true — now we have the reality. Ramsey is a very complex place. He stated his ward has a lot of septic systems and people in his area like it that way. When we put pipes in the ground, we have to pay for them. We have a Charter that states people do not have to hook up and we cannot force anyone to do so. He stated he is not saying that the Charter should be changed but the fact is that we cannot make anyone hook up. He added that he would not want to do that anyway. With regard to the Land Use Map — he was a part of that process. Only a small number of people came to give input — basically the landowners who wanted to develop. We should be looking at our sewer system the same way a franchise determines where they will build. They put a dot on the map and work around a certain area. Councilmember McGlone stated he favors the greatest of conservatism we can come up with. City Council - Special Meeting — February 6, 2012 Page 4 of 11