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I I I i I I I I I I I I I I I I I The CommisSio~ recessed at 10:15 p.m. Chairman ~H~it~an called the ~eeting back to order at 10:39 Motion '.by Commissioner Lichter and seconded by Commissioner Bauerkemper t° &do~t Section 7.05.02 as is. F~rther Discussion: Commissioner Greenberg stated that the Commission brought in a person of expertise and that person recommended not req~irSng 5 years and Co~,~,issioner Greenberg also feels that this Con~niS~ion should not dismiss that advice. Commissioner Sieber stated tha~t t~%e Commission is not dismissing that advice, but Mr. Burggraaff doe~ n~t live and pay taxes in Ramsey. Commissioner Data stated that Mr',~ B~ggraaff's comments were valid for what the Commission did have w~£tte~ down prior to revisions that were made; this Commission has n~w, ~e~efined budget summary as income and expenditures and it is a s~ and Mr. Burggraaff's comments no longer apply. Commissioner G~mc ~tated that it should be defined in the charter that the first t~ years should be ~etailed and the last three years are estimates. C~mis$ioner Bauerkemper disagreed with Commissioner Gamec. Chairman Hmi.'T~ stated that the charter puts in the basics and the rest is to CO .~nci~'s discretion. Commissioner Sieber noted that the Long Term P!mn i~ adopted by ordinance. Commissioner Bauerkemper explained that thins w~uld allow citizens a voice if they don't like the direction of thm ~l~n. Commissioner G-m~_c stated that doing it by ordinance could be a,~ob~em; the time to say either a project is right or wrong is when the f~sibility studies are complete. Commissioner C~mec also pointed o~t t~t it would be possible for & group of citizens to disagree with an iite~ in the Long Term Plan, Council would explain that it is only a ~, ~he ~itizens would reply that it is an ordinance, and the whole Lp~g T~rm Plan could be forced to an election. Commissioner Titterud ~ir~ as to ~bw ~changes in the plan would be handled. Commissioner Ba~erk~mper replied that the. Long Term plan can be changed every year. ~iS~ioner Sieber stated that whether it is subject to re~rendum or not ~es not have a long term legal affect because it can be amended ~way~ it allows the people a voice and forces council to listen; the c~iz ~e~s have ~o say in the matter if it is done by resbtution. C~mi~ioner Gamec replied that the citizens do have a say in the matter /f ~it; iis by ree~ution '-- at the time the project comes up. Chairman ~e. ~tm~nr stated that assuming just because it is adopted by ordinance th~rel ~ill be an election is wrong; if the plan is a good one, there won't Ibc an election. ~issioner Sieber commented that a 5 year plan or;an iamended 5 year plan, that is a result of a referendum, is immuned to l council action forever. Commissioner Sieber suggested adding a clause tol the effect that any 5 year plan that is a result of initiative and ~e~ere~%dum is /mmuned to council action for one year. ~Motio~' ~arried. Voting Yes: Chairman Heitms_n, Cc~m~ssioners Sieber, Data, iLichter, Bauerkemper, Titterud. Votinc No: Commissioners Gamec an~ G~eenberg. Absent: Commissioner Buchanan. Cx~mmiSsioner Lichter stated that he is uncomfori~able with adopting the Long ~erm Plan by ordinance; adopting by ordLnance becomes a law and it is ionly a plan. Commissioner Sieber stated that acopting !~y ordinance give the citizens a ~oi~e regarding city planning d~.rection. CC/Decembe;- 8, 1983 Page 5 of 8