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Councilmember Kuzma asked the timeline for this project. He asked how solid the plans would <br />be as the Ramsey improvements would not occur until after the Anoka improvements are <br />completed, noting the estimation that was given of 2022 for completion in Anoka. <br />Chairperson Riley agreed and asked the shelf life of the plans. <br />Mr. Johnson replied that the shelf life of the first phase would not expire. He believed that the <br />second phase would have a three to five-year shelf life, until the point where staff would need to <br />complete a quick update review to determine if design standards have changed. <br />Councilmember Kuzma asked if the engineering costs are included in the cost of development <br />estimates. <br />Mr. Johnson replied the industry standard is 20 percent for design and delivery and believed that <br />was included. <br />Community Development Director Gladhill stated that the City would push to have this cost <br />included in the City's ultimate share of the project costs. <br />Chairperson Riley asked how this would be different than the traffic studies that were already <br />completed. <br />Mr. Johnson stated that the traffic studies before were based on existing conditions. He stated <br />that at that time it was determined that if MnDOT cannot afford to fix the problems of today, <br />they certainly cannot afford to fix the problems of the future and therefore that element was not <br />included in the previous study. He noted that this process would look further to determine the <br />implications for the future to provide more solid results. <br />Ms. Bersaw stated that it is important to really determine the problem and how that may change <br />to ensure that you build the right thing that will last. She stated that the modeling will give you <br />the answers to ensure that you are not over building. <br />Chairperson Riley asked why they would study a no build situation. <br />Mr. Johnson replied that would give you the baseline and define the need to solve. He noted that <br />it is also a part of the environmental review. <br />Community Development Director Gladhill noted that this would also show a measurable <br />improvement to show that you would be solving the problem. <br />Councilmember Johns asked how far out this would project, whether this is a 20 or 40-year <br />projection. <br />Ms. Bersaw stated that they typically look 20 to 25 years into the future. She stated that if you <br />look beyond that you are making more assumptions than you can handle and therefore the results <br />Public Works Committee / January 16, 2018 <br />Page 4 of 14 <br />