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as a team both Council and Staff, Council together and Staff together and how do they make sure they are effective. Mayor Kuzma thought it should also be mentioned that each and every one of those has been dissected and have been through the years to get to this point. A lot of time has been spent on this. City Administrator stated the balance of rural character and urban growth was the last one that was added, they had the other four before that but as they went through the Comprehensive Planning effort for the 2040 Planning, this came forward as something that was added as a main goal and imperative for the community. He asked if anyone thought any of them should be changed, if they want to adopt more or get rid of one. Councilmember Woestehoff commented that for the urban character one, that it should read "a balance of suburban growth" as opposed to urban growth, he thought it would better categorize it. Councilmember Musgrove asked if there are quantitative numbers that go along with urban versus suburban. Councilmember Woestehoff replied that generically speaking there are, he didn't know what they are, but didn't feel that the Council would ever let Ramsey get to an urban category as they would need way more people. He thought it was more about the feel of that sentence. Changing it to suburban softens it a bit and he knows there are people in Ramsey who would never want it to be an urban city. He though suburban is a better descriptor of what they are trying to balance. Technically they are suburban. Councilmember Musgrove asked what that meant. Councilmember Woestehoff replied under 30,000. Councilmember Musgrove agreed adding that is what they have spoken and planned as a vision. Councilmember Specht suggested it just say "balance of rural character and growth." Councilmember Musgrove stated grow could mean anything. Councilmember Heineman thought it should say suburban, that parts of the City are very suburban and parts are very rural. Councilmember Specht agreed that made sense. Councilmember Musgrove stated she knows they use the mission, vision, values and strategies a lot, the values are integrated in the all of those statements, the mission, the vision, the objectives and the strategies. She stated there could be a million values. She asked operationally what is the purpose of having the statement of the values when the mission the vision and the objectives and the strategies capsulates that. That is what she knows is used often when communicating, when City Council Special Work Session / February 15, 2022 Page 11 of 31