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Mr. Orcutt stated he would like to see the plan in February 2023 and approval as soon as <br />practicable. He stated there could be some elevating costs that may be unknown in going into <br />three years of construction so getting it done sooner is better. <br /> <br />2.02: Review Pavement Condition Rating Systems <br /> <br />City Engineer Westby explained that the current rating system that is being used to assess roads is <br />the Pavement and Surface Evaluation Rating (PASER) system which is a subjective assessment. <br />He explained that more cities are using the Pavement Condition Index (PCI) system which is an <br />objective rating system that uses a number system that is more accurate and reliable. A third <br />system that MnDOT uses where vans with cameras digitally map the street surfaces and the system <br />rates the roads. He stated that is a fast alternative but the County uses the available trucks and they <br />are very expensive. He stated if they went with PCI he suggested letting WSP do the ratings until <br />staff are trained in the future. He asked for feedback and direction from Council. <br /> <br />Councilmember Specht asked why PASER was used initially and what benefits there are. <br /> <br />City Engineer Westby replied the benefit is that it is easy to do, it is quick, and was the easiest <br />thing to implement at the time. He stated it takes the least amount of time of any of these. <br /> <br />Councilmember Musgrove asked City Engineer Westby which system he thought would be most <br />valuable for inventorying the streets, consistency with carryover. <br /> <br />City Engineer Westby replied he preferred the PCI rating system because it forces someone to get <br />out and actually look at the pavement versus driving by when cracks could be missed. He thought <br />it would allow them to set the CIP up more accurately. <br /> <br />Councilmember Musgrove asked City Engineer Westby to explain with the PCI rating system how <br />taking a section of a road plays into the whole road because some areas may have more damage <br />than other areas of the same road. <br /> <br />City Engineer Westby replied no, that is why they have to carefully pick a representative area. If <br />some areas have issues such as drainage, it can be noted at the time. Representative areas can be <br />changed over time. He thought finding a representative area was pretty easy. <br /> <br />Councilmember Musgrove asked if the representative areas are documented and if they are the <br />same areas that are observed every year. <br /> <br />City Engineer Westby replied the areas are documented but can be moved if needed. <br /> <br />Councilmember Riley commented that PCI gives a more precise number but he wasn’t sure they <br />needed that precision, because they don’t make decisions without doing more analysis on it. He <br />stated the department is falling behind and he didn’t want to do anything that is going to take time <br />away from the Staff or spend more money on something that isn’t fixing the roads. He stated he <br />would be content to stay with PASER. <br /> <br />City Council Work Session / June 28, 2022 <br />Page 6 of 20 <br /> <br />