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tonight's consideration. Chairperson Tossey stated he is trying to get an understanding of the succession plan because he thought the Council did not support having two Captains for a force of 22 officers. He stated he would like additional information to gain a better understanding. Human Resources Representative Lasher reviewed the current salary ranges for Sergeant and Lieutenant. City Administrator Ulrich stated the primary motive of this recommendation is to create salary separation and the Personnel Committee can consider leaving the title and going with only the wage increase to create differential. Chairperson Tossey stated he believes a pay bump is justified considering what the top Sergeant and Captain earn but he did not know it was an actual promotion to Captain. Councilmember McGlone stated he had overlooked the change in position to that of Captain and assumed that meant "pay scale." He stated he does not have a problem with increasing salary if the employee is assuming more duties but does not support having two Captains just to have two internal candidates for a future succession. Councilmember Strommen noted Police Chief Way has stated that part of the consideration is job duties and it is important that employees are paid and titled according to what they are doing. Police Chief Way stated Officer Katers is doing Captain's duties but can do the same duties as Lieutenant. He agreed that both wages and titles are important and the Council needs to look at the pay scales. Chairperson Tossey noted Ramsey has a population of 25,000 and 22 officers. He asked if this ratio is in line with other communities. Human Resources Representative Lasher stated she is unable to comment on that question at this time. Councilmember Strommen stated she wanted to assure the Personnel Committee was addressing the real issue and if Officer Katers is doing those duties then he should be paid for it and have the title. Councilmember McGlone stated the issue for him is more about the duties than developing a better internal candidate crop for succession. The question is whether Ramsey needs two Captains in a department of this size. Police Chief Way indicated it comes down to duties and assignments given and Officer Katers is performing these duties as Lieutenant. He explained that if approved, Officer Katers would be third in line after the Police Chief and Captain. Councilmember McGlone restated his willingness to amend the motion to remove the promotion. Chairperson Tossey stated he does not doubt that Officer Katers is performing the duties and the recommendation for Step 5 would be a median position between Sergeant and Captain. He stated he wanted to be sure the recommendation for promotion was not solely for the issue of succession. Chairperson Tossey stated he is willing to support the motion after being provided with the additional information and discussion. Motion carried. Voting Yes: Chairperson Tossey, Councilmembers McGlone and Strommen. Voting No: None. 4.02: Review of Recent Employee Exit Interviews Chairperson Tossey noted members had reviewed four exit interviews and he found the employees left employment with Ramsey for very different reasons. Councilmember McGlone asked what is intended to be accomplished by review of exit interviews. Councilmember Strommen stated the City has had a high number of employees voluntarily leave in a short period of time so she wanted to understand if there was a trend and the reasons. In Personnel Committee / July 10, 2012 Page 3 of 5