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because of it's proximity to the existing landfill. <br /> <br />Don Greenberg - Stated that he has been meeting with Atlas for about 3 <br />months and the philosophy of their business is on-site incineration; their <br />main goal is not to do commercial incineration. The main function of their <br />contract burn facility is to demonstrate and sell incinerators. Mr. <br />Greenberg stated that he thinks Atlas will be doing Ramsey a community <br />service; the industrial/commercial areas will benefit from Atlas being <br />located in Ramsey and we will have a facility that can handle waste <br />locally. <br /> <br />Dan Rydbom - 8021 177th Avenue N.W. - Stated that the ash must be a <br />hazardous waste if it has tobe shipped out of state. Inquired how the <br />company can say it deals in on-site incineration when the material to be <br />burnsd is brought onto their site. <br /> <br />Mr. I~bat - Stated that Minnesota has no hazardous ash waste dumps; until <br />Atlas proves that the ash is not hazardous, it is more economical to ship <br />it out of state. The sites the ash is being shipped to are not necessarily <br />hazardous waste landfills; they just haven't stated that they won't accept <br />ash. <br /> <br />John Lichter - Stated that tests have been done on solid waste incinerators <br />in Minnesota and fly ash consistently shows to be hazardous. <br /> <br />Val Carver - Stated that there are two different kinds of ash in normal <br />incineration, bottom and fly ash. Only fly ash, through electrostatic <br />precipitators, is proving to probably be hazardous. Thirteen out of 30 <br />incinerators with electrostatics had hazardous waste in the fly ash; bottc~ <br />ash was not hazardous. Atlas is assuming it's ash is hazardous and <br />shipping it out of state to be handled properly until Atlas can generate <br />the data to indicate whether it is hazardous or not. The majority of the <br />time, data indicates that the ash is not hazardous. <br /> <br />Mr. Berg - Stated that Atlas' proposed facility is not going to burn mixed <br />municipal waste. This ash would fall into existing regulatory standards <br />which says that it is tested according to extraction procedures and <br />analyzed in order to be declared non-hazardous. There is a lower set of <br />levels belowwhich it couldbedeclared prodisposable. If it tests low <br />enough, it could be disposed of in mixed municipal landfills. <br /> <br />Bruce Bacon - Stated that there is a common concern about handling waste <br />and on-site disposal; that leads to recycling because a great deal of <br />products are wasted. The only value in burning is the BTU value of the <br />products burned. The State goes along in a certain way with burning, but <br />that strategy does compete with recycling. Mr. Bacon encouraged the <br />commission and businessmen and citizens to find a common ground and not <br />focus on one strategy. A subject for another meeting is liability. It is <br />clear that certain unscrupulous' would want to take advantage of such a <br />meeting to get together and talk about liability about how city mig~ht <br />have different interest than the state or county where we want to look at <br />risks in this particular community. Our children are going to inherit the <br />problems we invent for them. We want at least as healthful an environment <br />Planning & Zoning Public Hearing/June 7w 1988 <br /> <br />Page 11 of 12 <br /> <br /> <br />