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situation. Schrier also stated that if you put a City vehicle within one block of anywhere, people will slow down when they see it and that may have affected the percent of the study. The bus stop on the east is a huge bus stop. Children are there a half hour early playing ball, etc. Basically there are kids there from 7:00 a.m. until about 4:20 p.m. Relating to the reaction time being 10 seconds, kids' reaction time is a lot longer. Tracy Kremer stated they moved into their home last August. Other people had waged complaints to the City prior to that time. She stated she was impressed with how Ramsey dealt with the situation - doing the studies, etc. She expressed concern about the 10 second response - not enough time to react. Lisa Bobler stated that maybe no accidents have been reported but, in the last three years, there have been tire tracks in her yard from people who do not notice the curve on Tungsten, plus her mail box has been hit. There have been some incidents, but nothing to really report. Bob Grifface, 14245 Tungsten, stated he has lived in his home about six months. He noted a park entrance about four blocks from this intersection and the fact that kids want to get to the parks. Cars drive faster after 6:00 p.m. He felt that two stop signs would be more confusing than an all stop. In his opinion, two stop signs could defeat the purpose of this whole thing. You need a three-way if you are going to do anything. He added that the residents are present because there is a real need for something in this area. Mr. Jankowski pointed out that we would not meet any of the criteria for a three-way stop. Mrs. Kremer stated that a two-way stop would make this an awkward corner. Maybe the criteria needs to be changed for just a "plain old, dangerous corner". Everyone who signed the petition said something needs to be done. Mr. Jankowski stated that a three-way stop could be put in at this intersection, however, if there was ever a lawsuit relating to this intersection, none of the criteria for a three-way have been met. Susan Jacobson, 14225 Tungsten, stated it would not make sense to come to Council requesting a three-way stop and then to come back and sue the City over what we asked for. She stated that she has lived there since 1993, and there are people who race up and down the street. There are a lot of teen-aged drivers in the neighborhood and she just felt that three stop signs at this intersection would be the safest. Something has to be done to slow down the traffic. Mr. Jankowski stated that a stop sign will slow down traffic - within about 200 feet. Then people will make up for lost time by speeding up. Another issue you have to consider is, if we post a stop sign, will it be a safer intersection? When an intersection is uncontrolled, everyone has to approach carefully. Once you are assigning right-of-way, that "careful approach" is diminished. Also, when you have a low volume intersection, you have people who will violate stop signs. Most people will slow down but some who are close to the area are savvy to the traffic patterns. If an individual knows he will not meet anyone he may drive right through the stop signs. Road and Bridge Committee/April 21, 1998 Page 3 of 8