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LRRWMO Meeting Minutes May 19, 1994 Page 6 process for planning but are not descriptive of what must be included, except with regulatory issues like erosion control and storm sewer design. Sandstrom reviewed other WMOs experience with gathering public input. He questioned the quality of a plan that does not address public input and commented it may be presumptuous of the WMO if they have no public outreach. Weaver explained that the plan seems to express the philosophy of the member cities regarding their concern for water quality. He commented on the unique features of the LRRWMO and his desire to not interfere with the DNR's existing authority or to "reinvent the wheel" and spend public money to duplicate other organization's efforts. Weaver supported putting together a plan that meets the criteria and expend as minimal an amount as possible. Sandstrom reviewed what needs to be included in the local plans and the importance of implementation once the plan is adopted. He stated that once the City plan is adopted, the City has the ability to take control of regulatory activity. He explained that the Met Council and PCA may not consider approval of grants to communities that have not adopted or implemented a local plan. Sandstrom stated he does not think the rules are contradictory to the philosophy expressed by Weaver. Weaver questioned progress made by other cities. Sandstrom responded that some have not yet adopted a plan and others have adopted plans but do not yet have ordinances in place to administer the programs. A discussion ensued regarding activity in Roseville and non-point pollution standards. Weaver noted that other regulatory agencies such as the EPA, DNR, EQB, BWSR also have the authority to improve water quality and the LRRWMO will have to implement their directives regardless of an approved plan. Sandstrom stated that with the LRRWMO he would not advocate laying out a program that includes a lot of capital expenditures required of each City, but to lay out priorities where projects should go. He suggested the LRRWMO have an idea of what they want to do so grant funds can be applied for if they become available. He felt there would be more funds available, at the federal level, for non-point pollution and implementation. Weaver commented that even through the LRRWMO does not have a Second Generation Plan implemented, they have, as the LGU, documented every project that has been permitted in member cities since the process was started. He reviewed the permitting process and $500 permit fee to cover engineering costs. Sandstrom asked, in assessment of the rules, how far off the LRRWMO was in terms of regulatory control and engineering standards. Beduhn responded he felt the LRRWMO was