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Councilmember Backous asked whether the Fire Department can draw on the talents of current employees to pick up the slack on operational functions. He stated he likes the idea of contracting for fire inspections because then the City can hire to the level needed. Fire Chief Kapler stated the operational functions occur during the day and the experienced people work during the day so he will have no luck finding a current person to handle operational functions. He stated these functions can occur any day of the week and that is the advantage of a flexible position instead of a contractor that is rigid. Councilmember Backous asked what the Fire Department can live without, as he would like to find a compromise. He stated this is not a good time to add a $100,000 cost. Fire Chief Kapler noted this is not a request to add anything, but to replace a full-time position. He stated a Fire InspectorBuilding Inspector was brought on and with the activity, went to a Fire Inspector, and then as the employee's abilities grew became a Fire Marshal. The same happened with Mr. Kohner. Chairperson Tossey stated it would add $15,000 in salary if a Deputy Fire Chief position is hired. He stated he is not comfortable paying the new replacement position more than was received by the person in the position previously. He stated residents spoke last week and told the City to stop spending money. Chairperson Tossey stated he understands the need to fund critical services but he does not want to replace the previous position with someone being paid more. He asked if there was support to restructure this position or bring it before the full Council. Fire Chief Kapler stated he has heard the comments of the Personnel Committee loud and clear and suggested he and Human Resources Manager Lasher come up with an alternate recommendation. Councilmember Kuzma asked if this position being on staff affects the insurance rates of the homeowner. Fire Chief Kapler stated it does but is part of a long and complex formula. Councilmember Backous stated as an insurance agent, rates are based on having a fire hydrant within 1,000 feet, a Fire Station within so many miles, and the type of structure of the house. Fire Chief Kapler described the other items that are factored into the formula. City Administrator Ulrich stated the issue is the ISO rating and described how it is determined. Councilmember Kuzma stated support for the Fire Chief to consider other alternatives that address the funding concerns. Councilmember Backous stated he understands the request but in all requests impacting the budget, he wants to hear what is needed, not what is wanted. Personnel Committee / October 15, 2013 Page 7 of 9