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do speed studies. We found that the 85 percentile was less than 35 mph. Some were doing in <br />excess but the highest speed was 34 mph. People felt more comfortable knowing that. Oftentimes <br />speed is perceived faster than it is. We also noticed that when kids were present, the speed was <br />slower. We are trying to rent a unit from Brooklyn Center which displays what speed people are <br />going at and below is posted the speed limit. It also provides a report back on the number of <br />vehicles traveling in a particular period and what their speeds are. This may be a good location to <br />do that in and to be able to let the people know the results. Lowering speed limits - State law does <br />not permit that with the exception of school zones and alleys. <br /> <br />Andries Hillebregt, 16926 Bison Street NW, Ramsey: We are talking about closing up a road. <br />Our time is being wasted. The residents here want Bison paved and 171st opened. Things were <br />going fine. There is only one person making a big deal of this. <br /> <br />Resident: You get what you pay for in Ramsey. Give them this cul-de-sac. If it's not broke - do <br />not fix it. Open 171st - leave things open. You will make all happy with the exception of one <br />family. <br /> <br />Mayor Hardin: How many people here want to see 171st open? (show of hands) - [the majority of <br />hands were raised]. Closed? (show of hands) - [very few]. <br /> <br />Dan Lund, 7900 - 168th Lane NW, Ramsey: Will we be opening Bison into 168th? <br /> <br />Mayor Hardin: We are here to discuss options. <br /> <br />Dan Lund, 7900 - 168th Lane NW, Ramsey: Is that an option - to open Bison to 168th? <br /> <br />Tim Dusbabek, 7821 - 171st Avenue NW, Ramsey: Propose to leave 171st open for emergency <br />vehicles is to negate an open end of Bison. <br /> <br />Mayor Hardin: Reason is to talk about 171st. We invited other neighborhoods to receive other <br />input. Tonight's meeting is not to specifically talk about opening Bison - the reason is to talk about <br />171st. <br /> <br />Dan Lund, 7900 - 168th Lane NW, Ramsey: Close the street - leave Bison alone. I am fine with <br />that. <br /> <br />Randy Keyser, 16967 Bison Street NW, Ramsey: Presented the Recording Secretary with a <br />petition demanding that 171st Avenue be reopened immediately. Such petition is incorporated in <br />the minutes as Exhibit "C". Also presented is a letter opposing the closing of 171st from Kim <br />Sandoz, 17210 Willemite Street NW, Ramsey. Such letter is incorporated in the minutes as <br />Exhibit"D". Tim Dusbabek wanted Bison as a through street so he could have 171st closed off <br />because of the traffic. If all of Bison would have been paved, maybe everyone would be happy. <br />But now it will cost me more money than in the beginning. He opened his mouth and you <br />(Council) listened. <br /> <br />City Administrator Schroeder: That's his right - you have an opinion and Tim has an opinion. <br /> <br />Randy Keyser, 16967 Bison Street NW, Ramsey: We did not get included in that. Now it will <br />cost me more money. <br /> <br />Tony Keyser, 16967 Bison Street NW, Ramsey: In the beginning, this road was open. Then <br />hardly anyone harassed him (Dusbabek). Now he's complaining he's being harassed. If he <br />would have kept his road open it would have been better. We have lost property to make that road <br />and now he's closing that road and using it as a playground. Now my bus has to drive all the way <br /> <br />Bison/171 st Neighborhood Meeting/September 11, 1996 <br /> Page 5 of 8 <br /> <br /> <br />